These two armors are part of a very large collection dating back to the early part of the 16th century in Emden/Germany (across the bay from the Netherlands.) Although early 16th century armor worn by the 'BÜRGERWEHR', this collection is primarily filled with works produced in Niedersachsen (Lower Saxony). I have studied and video taped this collection numerous times in the past few years and am always amazed at the high quality, extensively decorated armor, worn by the common soldier.This collection may be compared to that of the Zeughaus in Graz/Austria and can be seen at: Emder Rüstkammer in Emden/Germany.